#015 FLR with Krystine Kellogg, chastity anyone?

Krystine and I talk about her Female Led Relationship and the dynamics within her lifestyle.  We educate the listeners on the lifestyle and offer some resources and talk some about her experiences with her subbie/husband.  We talk about the myths out there.  We dicuss her two podasts as well and why we both want to have real talk about all these subjects hoping to educate and destigmatize others' lifestyles they have chosen for themselves.  No judgment zone!  Join our FB group!!

Resources to learn more:  Blogs/sites: "Evolving Your Man",  "Chastity Mansion", and the book Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski helps you explore and understand who you are and what works for you sexually.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Straight From the Source's Mouth Podcast. Frank talk about sex and dating. All right. Welcome everyone. This is episode number 15. And today I'll be talking to Christine, who has her own podcast called Christine's FLR podcast. And we'll just get started right off the bat. So what does that podcast? What does it mean? That the title.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

So FLR is female-led relationship. And what that means is in my relationship with my husband, who I also will probably refer to him as my subby, I am the dominant. He is the submissive. I essentially control everything about our relationship and our life, basically.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Okay. That was going to be my first question. Is it just in the bedroom or pretty much everywhere?

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Um, everybody's dynamic is different. Ours is a 24-7. Now we have kids in our house, so we have to get creative with that. Um, there's that um. We do we have different aspects of our female-led relationship. Uh we have a different dynamic in the bedroom than we do, you know, in front of our kids. We're not, I'm not leading him around the house by a leash and he's not on all fours and whatever. But these dynamics, everybody's is their own, and ours is 24-7 with different levels, I guess is the best way to explain it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Okay. That makes sense. So is there a whole community of it? Like I'm the I'm new to this world. I I interviewed someone on BDSM and he mentioned FET, um, FET Life is a website for resources on this kind of stuff. Does it fit in that same category?

SPEAKER_02 1:38

It does. Um, my podcast is a little bit of a different spin on the whole lifestyle FLR. Um I focused more on the emotional connection, on what these lifestyles bring to the individual's relationships, like the trust and the amount of communication required. So I'm not on Fet Life. I mean, I'm on Fet Life, but I'm not on there regularly. Um, in the very beginning of all of this, because we have only been doing this for probably it's been under 10 years. Uh FetLife was a bit overwhelming to me. Uh, they're very welcoming. It's a great resource for information, especially the BDSM community. There's groups and meetups and things like that that you can go to to learn. There's play sessions, all of that. It's a great resource. I just haven't been on there. It was a little overwhelming because it's more focused on, from my experience, it's more focused on the sexual aspect of it, um, different things you can do in play scenes and all of that. It's not really a place where I found a whole lot of information about the actual inner workings of our dynamic, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Okay. Yeah, he described it as kind of resources just to kind of learn about it in general. And then yeah. So how what made you get into this or what had you even like start that with 10 years ago with your husband? Slash Subby.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Ooh, well, I grew up in a very small, small town. I had like 69 people in my graduating class. This had never been, I mean, we I grew up Catholic. This is not anything that was ever even on my radar. And I had just gotten divorced. Well, I've been divorced for about five years, and I met my husband online, and we started talking, and about a week into the relationship, he mentioned something about um female-led relationship and uh me being his dominant and all of this. So he kind of like spewed all of it on me in at one big shot, and then he gave me some time to process, offered me resources, and we've just kind of evolved from there. So he has more experience with this than I do. Um he presented the idea to me, and after a few days of processing, I slowly worked my way into it, certain aspects of it.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Yeah. And were you like what when you first heard it, what were your thoughts? I'm sure growing up Catholic, this probably wasn't something you expected.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

I was ex extremely overwhelmed. Um it's interesting because I think I probably process like most people when first introduced to this. You're like, that's sick. Why would you do that? That's disgusting. Which is a lot of the things that I get on TikTok too is now I'm good. I don't why would anybody do that? People think I abuse my subby. It was a lot to get my head around. Uh, it it really took some time to process. The thing that he did that I really appreciated is it wasn't about the sex. He explained to me why me being the dominant in our relationship was something that he craved, or why he chose to truly submit to me on every aspect. And when you break break away from the sex part of it, it's actually a fantastic dynamic. There's so much I've never trusted anyone in my life more than I trust him. I mean, our communication is amazing. So initially it took a lot of time to process. It took me reading some things to kind of understand what this all entailed, and then I kind of made it my own and ran with it.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, I mean, I could see where if he's asking for it, obviously it's not like you were the one picking it and he had to cheat, you know, choose it or not. So the idea that he came to would I would think would quell most people's, you know, um reactions or negative reactions to that. So it's something and how do you know how he found he liked it or or you know what how he came to know it, or is that more his story? Yeah, either way.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

I if I recall correctly, I mean he was in some previous relationships where he kind of tiptoed. Um, well, shortly after his divorce, he was in a relationship with somebody who was very involved in the lifestyle. They both did uh FET events, they were very in in the FET lifestyle, doing things there, different um events, play state playdates, things like that. So he had gotten experience from previous relationships and he really, really enjoyed it. And then he kind of, you know, picked out the aspects that he really enjoyed. Well, when those relationships ended, he kind of did more research on what he thought would would be interesting or good for him. And uh then I came along and here we are. And he was very clear from the beginning. I just want to be with you. If this isn't something that you want to do, I am happy to spend the rest of my life not participating in this dynamic. I'm just presenting it to you because it's something that I would be interested in and wanted to express that to you, just being honest.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Yeah, I can see that. Because when I um interviewed on the BDSM, the way he described it was it's all about communication. You actually have better communication in your relationship than the average couple. And the way he presented it, I was like, you know, I don't see why people wouldn't try it. And I think once people learn about it, they're more open to it. And there I talked to a woman who had been married a long time, well, a couple, and it enhanced, you know, later on as it starts to get, you know. I don't haven't had that many long-term relationships, super long term to know where you get sick of it. But at some point you start to it starts to get stale or whatever. So and they both, you know, just uh I I get yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

I find that a lot of the communications that I receive are from uh empty nesters or more of a long-term marriage, and 99% of the time it's the man that reaches out and he's like, I'm very interested in presenting this to my life to my wife. How would you recommend it? And I have a couple that I talk to regularly, we talk uh maybe once a month or so, just about their dynamic and different things because these relationships ebb and flow. But a lot of people that I've noticed, or there's a good majority of, you know, you live your whole life, you get into this routine, you have children, the children grow, you just kind of, you know, and things kind of fall off in the sexual arena, or just the, you know, that feeling of like I still get butterflies when I see my husband, and we will be married five years in December. Like, I still feel like the day we met. And I when you have kids and you're doing that whole dynamic, it's so easy to fall into a rut, and then the kids graduate, go off to college, and start their own lives, and then it's just you and your husband, and you're like, What do I do now?

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Yeah, and you've been separate people. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

I think that's what gets a lot of people into that dynamic for sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Yeah. They've they've had separate lives for so long they don't even really know each other anymore, and this is a way to bring it back. Or if they've been doing it all along, like you said, they could probably sustain it and make it a little more exciting. So, what do you like about it? The lifestyle.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I think my my favorite part um is probably the confidence. I was a very insecure person when I met my husband. I I have always had dominant tendencies in my first marriage. I did everything, but it was more like a motherly thing because he was lazy or, you know, whatever. And I was so focused on making sure things were done for the kids, things were done, you know, for him. And so when I met my husband, it was totally different. Like he wanted to do all these things for me, and he wanted me to take control, and he presented me all these resources and kind of let me know that it was okay, that I wanted to be in charge and I wanted people to do things for me. So it's really helped and it's helped my confidence. I mean, 10 years ago, I never would have thought of doing a podcast ever because I don't have the guts to do it. I'm, you know, I'm terrified to put myself out there. And this relationship has just given me so much confidence in myself and my ability to even talk to other people outside of the lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

That's probably my biggest and the closeness. I mean, I've never trusted anybody like I trust my husband and our communication. There's nothing that I wouldn't tell him. I would tell him any. There's nothing I'm worried to tell him, or I mean, I don't I don't know that I've ever had that in any other relationship I've ever been in.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, that's definitely a theme from last time too. Communication and trust. Because, you know, especially in that lifestyle, if you have to do things that you know some people might be skittish about or whatever, that's obviously you have to communicate what works for both people. And yeah, I mean, hopefully everyone listening is a little more open-minded about it. And you know, if they weren't and like you, you grew up Catholic. My j um primary co-host Carissa um grew up Catholic as well. So from what we talked about, you know, our our our like I had my first time having sex was with a guy who had already had sex before, so he knew what he was doing from the beginning. So I I learned to enjoy it from day one, and that was not her experience because she you know didn't have sex till she was married. So we try to cover all the bases on this, so it's interesting that you grew up the first time is yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

The first time's always real awkward. Like no matter I mean, uh even in the lifestyle, the first time you do anything, it's it's real awkward. You kind of have to just play the first one out as getting to know who you're with, and then I mean that's my opinion. I think it's real awkward most times on your first time.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Yeah, I can see that, especially if it's you know literally your first time doing something like that and you don't know it how it normally works or whatever. So well, what what do you what do you cover in your podcast that you want people to know the most? Like I know obviously I've seen that you have lots of different topics, but is there an overarching theme? Or like when you said the couples that talk to you about it, what do you what kind of advice do you give? Or have you already covered that?

SPEAKER_02 12:06

My my biggest, excuse me, my biggest piece of advice and the whole purpose of my podcast really is I want to get real information about real people. This lifestyle isn't like a porno. I mean, these are real people with real jobs that live this lifestyle, and I I think my biggest goal is just to kind of get rid of the programming that's out there. I mean, and I hate that word because it sounds so like matrix-ish or whatever, but society has kind of embedded itself in our brain that anything like this is sick and wrong. You know, and the older, older generations definitely have that, you know, like my grandparents, or you would never ever, it's just not something that would ever come into their mind. My whole point of my podcast is I want to get it out there and just give the information. I'm not saying you have to do it. Don't do it if you don't want to do it. It's not for everyone, and I say that all the time. But I just want it to not be such a stigma. Somebody talks about a female-led relationship, or I just want more people to know what that is and not feel guilty if they're curious. I mean, anything you do in the lifestyle, you make your own. There is no book that says it has to be this way, this way, this way, and this way. I mean, there's obviously golden rules that need to be followed, like consent communication boundaries, things like that. But you have to do what's right for you. Everybody's different, and I don't know that I don't feel like there was enough of that information out there for me when I was learning about all of this, which is kind of what got me to where I am now. I just want people to understand it more so that it's not such a there's not such a stigma attached to it. I mean, the people in the lifestyle are some of the best people I've ever met.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah. And that's that's the reason I wanted to do my podcast as well, to normalize sex, do away with the double standard that women shouldn't like it. And you know, we like it just as much. There's no reason why we should have we should be called names when we're doing the same thing with a you know a partner and why we have to suffer the consequences more than they do with reputation and all that. So and I did hear from a listener who um hope she doesn't mind a shout out, but from the podcast, she explored her sexuality. Like she went out there and did something, she was like worried that people would think certain things about it, and she just did it and she enjoyed it, and that's how it should be. There's no reason the double standards should exist anymore, and it's normal, and lots of people are doing this.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Yeah, and I have an 18-year-old daughter. I mean, obviously, she's not exploring, I don't think she's exploring the lifestyle, but I mean, she's 18 and she's very careful about her body and what she does and who she does it with and things like that. But that's another benefit of this. Like, I have had such an open relationship with her, and my outlook on things have changed dramatically. Like, exactly what you said, you know, if you I've told her if you want to have sex with all the boys, have sex with all the boys, but you have to make sure that's what you want. You're doing it because you enjoy it, you're not doing it for any other hidden reason, and then you have as long as it's right with you, it doesn't matter what anyone else says, you just have to be safe. I mean, that is another benefit. I mean, the open talking, I didn't have that growing up. The open talking with her about sex and making sure she knows what to do, or you know, and she's aware of, you know, know and ex, you know, if you have if something's happening and you've changed your mind and you're not into it anymore, stop. You always have the right to stop in the middle. It doesn't matter about your partner. If you're done, stop and walk away. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Yeah, great lessons. And that's that's how I was brought up. Just I mean, I wasn't it was never a bad or weird thing to do, you know. My parents had a a sexual life. I don't haven't talked about them before, but like I unfortunately heard them one time, you know, as a kid. That's like not something you want to hear. But obviously, it's perfectly normal and lots of people and and I'm sure like there's people out there in this lifestyle that just no no one admits it. Not no one admits it. A lot of people keep it secret because they feel like they have to. But what do you say to the dynamic that people I had a guy that said, well, it's kind of the secrecy that makes sex so much fun. It's kind of do you agree with that or do you like the open communication more?

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Oh, I absolutely mean we have secrecy to our relationship. I mean, our kids don't know exactly I mean, they know about my podcast, they don't know exactly what it is. I do erotic voiceover, they know I do erotic voiceover. I've always been open with them about that. But this there is something to be said about the secrecy. I mean, we do things in front of our kids, like just things that I will say to him that they don't catch on to. That's kind of, you know, that kind of ramps it up a little bit. And I absolutely can see, I mean, you don't have to discuss your sex life. It's more of, but yes, the secrecy of it, it's like their dirty little secret. A lot of people do, and if that's what works, run with it. That's absolutely perfect. But yes, I could see, I believe that probably is a big part of it. And some people can't say anything because of their careers, or you know, it's just not something that you can be open about, or you know, especially like swingers. People tend to really keep that on the down low just because of their job, and you know, there could be ramifications from that.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, on that note, I actually met the um the accidental swingers, they have a podcast, and it they literally became swingers like through friends that they had no idea until they told them they're in it now, and they recorded their el their um evolution of how all that started. So just another um podcast out there if you're interested in that kind of lifestyle as well. But um, so what else do you what's like the second most common thing you like to share in your podcast or with people that are curious about this lifestyle or myths about it, either one?

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Well, well, there's a lot of myths, and you know, we practice chastity too, which is a real touchy subject for a lot of people. There's a lot more people who are into male chastity than you would ever even know. But it seems like whenever I talk about chastity or pegging or anything on the podcast, it just blows up. It that is that definitely falls into the category of dirty little secrets. There's so much stigma attached to pegging and male chastity, nobody really understands. Like if you take the sex away from it, the reasoning behind why the male enjoys it is actually pretty fascinating. And it's it's actually, I mean, it's a whole lot of trust, and you're putting a lot of trust in your partner and your communication and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

So can you explain what those even mean for people that don't know it?

SPEAKER_02 19:04

I mean, oh yes, I I will do this in as G-rated way as I can. So pegging is um putting on a device to penetrate your man's backside. Okay, I think is the best way to put it. Um male chastity is excuse me, um, a male chastity device that well, in my case, my husband wears. So it's a steel cage that goes over his male parts.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, so he can't do things. And I I was pretty sure that was it, but just in case some other people didn't know Yeah, it's good to explain. Yeah. Go ahead. Um you can continue with that thought.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

I was just I Yeah, well, and the the male chastity is there's such a stigma attached to it because you know, so we Go to a um clothing optional lifestyle campground in the summer. I mean it's freezing cold where I am now, but in the summer that's where we are. And my husband is the only one that is in a chastity device. Um I think that most people just don't really understand what that's all about and why we would even do that. So I think there's a lot of stigma attached to that, and obviously no man will ever not no man, but men tend to get because there's such a stigma with pegging, that if you enjoy pegging as a man, you're automatically gay. And I think I have a whole episode about me ranting about it's a pegging is a sexual thing. It has nothing to do with your preference. When you, I mean, your preference is based on what you're attracted to. So if my husband likes pegging, that doesn't mean that he likes men. He likes that feeling. For that, you actually have to focus on the act and take the the emotions out of it when it comes to sexual preference. Because just because you like something there as a man, that doesn't mean that you're attracted to men. You got to separate the two. So those are the two biggest, and just the myth with I get all the time that I abuse my husband because that's what dominants do. And I I he is far from abused. He is so spoiled. Like our FLR relationship is probably for somebody that's die hard, female-led relationship, ours probably looks pretty sad from the outside, but it's what works for us in the time that we're in. You know, we we have kids in the house, my mom lives with us, so um, we have to be very careful. And the campground is kind of where we're able to really let it out and do our thing. But I just there's so many myths and stigmas because people don't understand. And again, that's like the biggest point of my podcast. I just want to get the information out there. People can listen in the privacy of their car or in earbuds or whatever. They don't have to feel ashamed for listening, which you shouldn't anyway. It's okay to explore different areas of your sexuality. I mean, again, this isn't for everyone, but really get to know what you like, what turns you on, and what you enjoy. I mean, life is short. Do what you love.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah, and you might not know you love it until you try. And that's what the last episode was asking what you want in bed, and we you kind of talk about all this, like exploring with each other and just touching different areas and figuring out overtouching yourself. But she definitely highlighted doing within a couple, just figuring out together what you like and don't like. And like you said, if if you're with a woman and you you're attracted to women and you still enjoy that area where we talked about earlier, it's not there's nothing, like you said, shameful. The woman is doing it with you, so you know, right. And I've talked to men that even you know explore with men, and there's nothing wrong with that either. There's such a spectrum, yeah. Which is I don't know. I'm sure that goes on way more, and you know, because it's like they said, the stigma, not as many people admit it. But I I've talked to a few myself that I know do it, and uh you would never guess, and they would not admit it. And you know, is there's nothing wrong with it. So but um what else do you want to what are there other myths or other and and I know you have another podcast, is it related to this topic at all?

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Or um our can our control podcast is more it's uh fictional loosely based on real events. Uh so it's more of like an audio drama. It's not um, it's more of a story. Uh my husband put a lot of work, he does all of the audio. It's a pretty fantastic podcast. Uh, the storyline is pretty interesting. It's very much like the life that we live. Um, and it's about, you know, female-led relationship, uh, cuckolding, which quick definition, cuckolding is like, for example, in our relationship, I am allowed to play with other men if I so choose. And also, as part of that choice, I want my subby there with me. He's kind of my safety net, but there's a whole open arena of different ways that you can do cuckolding. Generally goes along with the male chastity. It's just basically a whole other dynamic where you involve a third party in the relationship or the sexual part of the relationship. But that podcast kind of talks about that and um era that's involved in the story. It's just a he's got sound effects in there and everything. It's really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Okay. Yeah, and I met that's actually one I've heard of. I was dating a guy who was very interested in hearing about other relations I was having. So that's the first time I'd heard that term. But um, but yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

How was that for you? What was your thoughts on that when you I didn't mind.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

I mean, I'm such an open book, anyways, as anyone listening can tell. And I do stand-up comedy where I pretty much share everything about myself, anyways. So I would gladly share with him and tell him what I had. He wasn't necessarily in the room. He did talk about how he would would have liked to have been um watching our videos of it or something, but that's we we never went that far, and now we're broken up, so he won't get that chance. But um, yeah, he definitely enjoyed listening. And it it's I think it's and I was always nervous because I always dated you know more than one person, not always, but in during that time frame I was dating other people because he's he wanted me to, and now I know why he wanted me to. But at the time I was just like, Are you sure? Like, I don't know if I believe you, you know, because other men haven't haven't wanted you to date other people. So once I finally got it, like that was really enjoys it.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Yeah, that was really hard for me to grasp the grasp the concept of in the beginning because I was like, Wow, why would you want to share me? I don't understand. Like, what why would you want to know about what I'm doing with other people? And once he explained it to me, it you know, it has something to do with voyeurism where you enjoy watching other people, or just I mean, that's a real mental thing. I mean, and I think a lot of people enjoy it. That's another hot button a lot when I talk about it. Um, men just don't understand how another man would want to watch their significant other or partner be with somebody else. But I mean, it's actually pretty hot.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Yeah. And actually, I know there's a site where you can upload pictures, hopefully, ideally, with their consent and um of your partner, and then they like they rate your partner and all kinds of stuff or become fans or something. So I've heard of that, and that was new to me to hear. Yeah, I'm not sure if I can't tell you the name, unfortunately. Maybe if I figure it out, I can add it to the description, but I know of it, and I I'm sure there is plenty out there where you can yeah, that's a thing. So Yeah. Yeah. And that was um this towards the end-ish, so I always like to make sure I get some like final comments or just like something you really want to leave the listeners with, or like your whatever you want to say about it.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

I would say everybody should get to know their, especially the women. We're so critical of ourselves, and just get to know your body, get to know what you like, and don't be embarrassed talking about what you like. Men too. If there's something that you're interested in, don't be ashamed to talk about it. It's okay. And communication is key. Always communicate with your partner, no matter what. I mean, sometimes I'll suggest, I don't suggest being intoxicated, but sometimes just a glass of wine, sit down with your partner. It's peace and quiet. There's no kids, you can actually focus on each other and listen to each other. Really listen to each other, the words that are coming out of each other's mouths. Don't be judgy. Don't, I mean, that's and that's being judgmental, I think, is also something that's kind of ingrained in us from society or just like for me, my upbringing. Uh, and a lot of times I notice that sometimes I snap to judgment before I even realize. I mean, I'm doing it in my head, it's not vocal, but I have to kind of stop myself and be like, that's not okay. What are you doing? Just be open-minded. And if people could view these relationships, it's just information being put out there. It's something that other people like. It isn't other people forcing you into something that you don't want to do. Just look at it from an open mind and really think about what's being talked about and you know, explore like, would I like that? It's not again, it's not for everybody. You have to do what's best for you in your life. I think my biggest goal with my podcast is it would be really nice if people could just agree to disagree. Hey, I like this, and you don't, but that's okay. If you have questions, please ask me. I would love, I love answering questions. I love talking to people about their dynamic. And sometimes the biggest hurdle to overcome in any of these dynamics is not having people to talk to. You you don't really, I mean, it's not like you can call your best friend up on the, and maybe you can, but you can't just call a friend up and say, hey, you know, I want to put a cage on my husband. What do you think about it? A lot of people aren't open to discussing that. So, I mean, my email is always open for anybody. I always say that in my podcast. You can ask me anything. You don't, you know, it's always anonymous. Confidentiality is always important. It's just getting the information out there. And I wish people would just agree to disagree. It's not for everyone, but that doesn't make me a bad person.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yeah. And like we said, if there's that, if you know a lot of people, I know a lot of people are doing stuff like this, that means there's a lot of people out there. And if it would be if you did broach the topic, you know, after five years, you're like, oh man, you were doing that, you would have done that all along. You know, like it just communicate about it. And like you said, be open-minded. Yeah. So, and if you want to leave your email address, I I can put it in the description as well. But if you want to just say it, if people want to get a hold of you.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yeah. My email is Christine Kellogg, K-R-Y-S-T-I-N-E, and Kellogg is K-E-L-L-O-G-G at gmail.com. And if you just Google my name, my husband has me plastered all over the internet, so it's pretty easy to find me.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Yeah. And I and I have a Facebook group for my podcast, and I have all the social media as well, but I do not, I do not I don't have someone helping me in that arena, so it's as much as I put.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Well, let me know. My husband loves doing that stuff, so that's his cup of tea.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah, and it's definitely not mine. And I I mean I'm trying to do it, I'm learning the basics, so but yeah, so that's why you don't see a lot of me. But I know I have listeners, and I just I think the topic is too hard. You know, people that know me will will say, like, oh my god, I love your podcast, and they learn a lot. I have, you know, five star ratings, only nine so far, but I know people are enjoying it and getting something out of it. I just haven't heard from a lot. And so I will, now that I've said all that, my email is Tamara at straightfronthesources mouth dot co. So and T A M A R A. I would love to hear from listeners as well. So thank you very much, Christine. This was awesome, very educational. I know we both want to educate people, offer resources, and you know, destigmatize it and just make sex normal and get away with the double or do away, especially me, do away with the double standard. I don't know if that's something you're about, but I am definitely about that.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

So well, thanks for having me. It was real fun to talk to you.

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Yeah, awesome. All right. Thanks everyone. Hope you enjoyed it. Uh till the next time.

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